User talk:RadMatter

Special Executive coverage
Hey RadMatter! The main reason I wanted to contact you outside of the Tardis Wiki is to avoid the hawk-eyed Shambala, as I'm currently drafting up a page for the X-Men: The Animated Series episode Proteus which features Fascination. I mainly want to be able to co-ordinate coverage of that with you, as you are more knowledgeable on the Special Executive stories than I am.

Shambala is frustrating to deal with, so avoiding discussing anything that she could possibly get wind of that she would object to is favourable. 📯 📂 22:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * You can see the draft in this sandbox. (It looks better viewed on the Tardis Wiki, mind.) 📯 📂 22:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The problem I have Epsilon, is that Fascination debuted in a story that is only considered part of the DWU because of the appearance of the Special Executive characters Wardog, Cobweb, and Zeitgeist. Other than that her only connection to the DWU is an invalid charity publication and a minor reference to her being a loom-born Gallifreyan in a non-fiction textbook. Fascination has made a number of appearances that I personally didn't feel warranted coverage on TARDIS wiki as they lacked DWU concepts.


 * The following is two separate lists;


 * The stories featuring Fascination that I deemed worthy of coverage
 * * Executive Action
 * * Judgement Day
 * * Rough Justice
 * * Arrivals
 * * Waiting for the End of the World
 * * But They Never Really Die
 * * Pictures, Puzzles, and Pawns
 * * Sid's Story
 * Double Game
 * * Alarms and Excursions
 * The Sword is Drawn
 * * Come One and All to the Ugly Bug-Eyed Monster Ball


 * All of these stories feature appearances/references from DWU characters Wardog, Cobweb, and Zeitgeist.


 * The stories featuring Fascination that I did not deem worthy of coverage
 * A Long Way From Home
 * Things Fall Apart
 * My Friends Call Me 'Billy the Kid'!
 * The Marriage of True Minds
 * Technet: Impossible Missions!
 * The Trial of Lockheed
 * A Hatch Is Plotted
 * Home Comforts
 * Witless for the Prosecution
 * Nightcrawler's Technet
 * Colin the Barbarian
 * Cross Time Critters
 * April is the Cruelest Month
 * Seize the Child!
 * Storm Warnings
 * Tying the Knot
 * The Blue River Score, Part 1: The Damsel
 * The Blue River Score, Part 2: Nobody Runs Forever
 * The Blue River Score, Part 5: Plunder Squad
 * The Blue River Score, Part 6: The Mourner
 * Love & Marriage


 * None of these stories feature any other connection to the DWU except Fascination, who is rebranded as Scatterbrain from The Sword is Drawn onwards. And I personally would have to put Proteus into the second list as apart from a cameo from Fascination, since her rebrand as Scatterbrain, there is no connection to the DWU. RadMatter (talk) 23:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah. So her Gallifreyan origin is abandoned after The Sword is Drawn? Considering that Fascination is in so many stories that won't be covered, Proteus simply is too tenuous to be covered, isn't it? 📯 📂 00:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't believe Fascination's Gallifreyan origins were ever given in a valid source.


 * Her Gallifreyan origin was given in the invalid 2001 Walking in Eternity short story Executive Action (which coincidentally shares its name with her first comic appearance). And this was later referenced in the 2007 Marvel Atlas. These are the only times, to my knowledge, that her association with Gallifrey - and being loom-born - has been acknowledged.


 * So basically, here's the Special Executive timeline:


 * 4-D War - The Special Executive is hired to deal with Fenris. First appearance of Wardog and Viridian, the latter dies.


 * Black Sun Rising - The Special Executive takes part in trade negotiations involving the Order of the Black Sun and Sontarans. Wardog reappears and is joined by members Cobweb, Zeitgeist, and Millenium, again the latter dies.


 * Executive Action/Judgement Day/Rough Justice/Arrivals/Waiting for the End of the World/The Sound and the Fury/But They Never Really Die - One long story arc featuring the return of Wardog, Cobweb, and Zeitgeist and their interactions with Captain Britain. New team members Fascination, Legion, Ringtoss, Numbers, and more appear. Legion dies during the story.


 * Sid's Story - Technet encounters Captain Britain who recognises Fascination as part of the Special Executive, however, this is 300 years before she joined that team. Ringtoss, Numbers and a character called Thug who is revealed to be Legion's brother are all part of Technet.


 * Come One and All to the Ugly Bug-Eyed Monster Ball - Fascination joins the Special Executive alongside Ringtoss, Numbers, and more. However, they later return to Technet. RadMatter (talk) 00:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Just an update, I have since deemed Double Game worthy of coverage due to the mention of the Special Executive. Likewise, I have also deemed The Sword is Drawn worthy as it references Technet's previous encounter with Captain Britain. RadMatter (talk) 13:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: Baker's End
Yo!

As for the coverage of Baker's End on the Tardis Wiki, I'm not sure how feasible it is.

Paul Magrs has said here, quite succinctly, that it's not set in the DWU, and has said in an article for SFX that Baker's End is set in a world "90s degrees" from his Nest Cottage stories.

This would make covering the series on the Tardis Wiki difficult. It will either mean it cannot be covered, at all, as it'll be deemed to be set outside of the DWU, or if we do manage to get it covered, it'll have to be treated as an alternate universe.

Only reason I didn't link the sources on the Tardis Wiki is because this information is currently a bit sensitive to the coverage of the series, and I don't want anybody like Shambala to start snooping and rushing to conclusions. 📯 📂 15:41, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Paul may have stated that it wasn't part of the DWU, but later replied saying that it was "fair enough" to say that it shared a universe/setting with his Iris Wildthyme stories thus making it part of the DWU by default. I don't see how this is any different from the Special Executive appearing in Marvel Comics... Marvel wouldn't say that those stories were set in the DWU but the characters still debuted in the DWU and have ties to the Whoniverse therefore deserve/need coverage and potentially validation. RadMatter (talk) 15:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)